http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ Monarch Trust NZ Forum: Recent Posts en Thu, 11 Mar 2010 06:32:12 +0000 http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/monarch-papamoatauranga-people#post-9309 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:40:31 +0000 Myrlene 9309@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Hi to you all, Lovely to know that there are a few more of us in Tauranga...<br /> May-be we will meet at Jacqui&quot;s evening or Te Puna..<br /> I did have a problem this year getting my seedlings growing..<br /> This year I intend to get lots growing indoors and hope that will give them a head start..<br /> any suggestions would be appreciated...<br /> Also what would you suggest the best time to plant out seedlings? I thought now may-be as the seeds are falling.<br /> Cheers Myrlene </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/tagging-butterflies-and-answer-to-problems#post-9308 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:28:39 +0000 Myrlene 9308@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Hi, I hope to get one of these meetings if I am not working. Thanks Myrlene. </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/flying#post-9307 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:44:14 +0000 flutterbys 9307@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Well done Gillian!<br /> Like Swansong has said its always a joy to see them take their first flight.<br /> I always talk to mine when they first take off, sounds silly I know but I cant help myself. LOL<br /> I say them to when they fly off &quot;glide baby glide&quot; then I know they will be fine.<br /> Or sometimes I say to them now you have to fly fast and get out of here or those patrolling MALES will get you. So fly for your life. LOL</p> <p>Cheers<br /> Char </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/3000-swan-plants-in-hamilton#post-9306 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:37:17 +0000 flutterbys 9306@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Hi Bruce,</p> <p>I will be in touch very soon as I may be able to get orders for swan plants and help you out.</p> <p>The Warehouse worker needs to be SHOT!!<br /> How can someone do this to the caterpillars.</p> <p>Cheers<br /> Char </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/dying-caterpillars#post-9305 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:52:40 +0000 Swansong 9305@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Awww, get me started on spray and spray drift at your own risk :-/. In my neck of the woods (rural) its NOT popular to stand up against it. (Do you want to see my worried Look???) I encourage anyone who&#39;s rural to ask neighbours for what is called a Sprayplan. In it theyre required to give certain info. In my juristiction, they absolutely must comply. Ive a hunch this is nationwide, but not totally sure. Check with your councils and such. Im not sure also if there is a different type of plan for urban, ....one would think it would be more stringent. Anywayz, ESPECIALLY if your rural, be ready to be treated like an alien from planet Z if you ask for a spray plan. </p> <p>There was an item on the news a couple of days ago about spraying misadventures and it looks like they are going to tighten the rules, or so they say. </p> <p>Cheers<br /> Swansong </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/breeding-red-admirals#post-9304 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:36:40 +0000 Terry 9304@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Hi Rob</p> <p>I think you got them all, but it&#39;s Urtica urens and Urtica dioica. </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/3000-swan-plants-in-hamilton#post-9303 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:55:58 +0000 Branson 9303@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Available for fund raising for schools etc - 1m to 1.5m tall mostly single leaders but many branchy in PB5 planter bags - $2 ea &amp; sell for $5 ea - just take orders via newsletters/email lists &amp; only come/pay with definite orders so not at risk - I don&#39;t care where they go to - I&#39;ve just started calling Hamilton schools &amp; should have done it earlier but with moving 2 garden centres into 1 thru Feb never got on to it till now....... If my memory from last yrs trial is correct 1 family in 20 will order &amp; if done every summer many shud become regular orderers yr on yr with money getting better n better... Hundreds possibly thousands of healthy munching pillars here at present if anyone wants to collect/disperse them - I have had a big wild thicket of seedlings but there r so many now they&#39;re going to eat it right down within a week or two - I&#39;ve been picking them off the sale plants which does concentrate them of course..... So we&#39;ve moved out of 310 Kahikatea Drive extension with everything now in the ex Greens/Fresca garden centre at 78 Alison St 07 8395446 (opp Gallaghers big black building on the western bypass thru Hamilton) &amp; still called The Plant Place even though the Fresca sign still out front... Incidently one of my customers recently caught a Warehouse worker washing their unwanted pillars down a drainhole - horrified she saved a few - good look eh......? </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/flying#post-9302 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:46:35 +0000 jacqui 9302@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Yes, well done to you! Wonderful to hear.</p> <p>Jacqui </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/dying-caterpillars#post-9301 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:45:40 +0000 jacqui 9301@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Another thought would be spray drift - pesticides. It&#39;s amazing how we take pesticides for granted. For instance, someone who raises caterpillars indoors found they were dying, and about the same time that started they had replaced the &quot;thing&quot; in the power socket which controls insects in their house. We can take fly sprays etc (toxic products) for granted. So perhaps something similar has affected your milkweed outside?</p> <p>Jacqui </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/breeding-red-admirals#post-9300 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:43:06 +0000 jacqui 9300@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Hi Rob</p> <p>Have you had a look at the document put together by Darren Gedye? It&#39;s very thorough. See link above.</p> <p>Jacqui </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/flying#post-9299 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:04:50 +0000 Swansong 9299@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Well thats a splendid effort Gillian, and you&#39;ll always have a few mishaps unfortunately. We can get quite attached to our little winged friends, and it isnt nice when something untoward happens, but its always good to look at the ones that do make it, and feel a sense of joy in that. Especially when theyre flying for the 1st time. The really look like they enjoy themselves : ).</p> <p>Cheers<br /> Swansong </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/dying-caterpillars#post-9298 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:58:06 +0000 Swansong 9298@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Hi Jo,<br /> How many (approx) caterpillars are we talking about? How many plants? How far away is your daughter?</p> <p>Im Manawatu, and your situation looks similar to mine. I didnt start til Feb either. At present I have enough food for at least a good 50 to 60 caterpillars. Just in the last week or so Ive noticed the last 20 or so are dying are lethargic. The nights are cooler but not that much where it should be making a big difference. </p> <p>Im considering, its either tiny wasps that are harder to spot, or somehow the plant material toxicity maybe skewiff. </p> <p>I do have a few eggs, but theyre slow too. Everything seems to have prematurely &quot;wound down&quot;.</p> <p>Swansong </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/breeding-red-admirals#post-9297 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:23:16 +0000 djherdi 9297@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Thanks Terry. Must have been old info. I also cant find where I got those names from so deleted those two plants (Thistle &amp; Pellitory) off my list of Red Admiral food plants. Can you tell me of my list below, are these all the nettles we have in NZ?<br /> Urtica ferox ‘Ongaonga Stinging Nettle’ &#39;Tree Nettle&#39;.<br /> Urtica incisa &#39;Scrub Nettle&#39;<br /> Urtica aspera<br /> Urtica linearifoli<br /> Urtica australis<br /> Urtica erens<br /> Urtica diocea </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/dying-caterpillars#post-9296 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:57:19 +0000 JoWakefield 9296@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>I live in Timaru and the Monarch butterflies were late Laying eggs (Feb).Only 1 caterpillar has pupated. The others, large and small, at various stages of growth, have this week begun to die. The food supply is plentiful.I am thinking that the cooler nights may be a factor. I have not seen wasps or praying mantis. My daughter has had the same problem, although her hatchings were 2 weeks ahead of mine. </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/flying#post-9295 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:04:12 +0000 GillianCampbell 9295@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>hi, thanks for your information. Our 6 butterflies stayed for the rest of the day after their feed, and then we noticed they were all gone just before dusk. (They were in the carport out of the rain). My daughter and I are feeling quite good at the moment because once we realised the wasps and hornets where the cause of our disapearing babies and we covered the plants in netting, we have had approx 20 butterflies successfully hatch. Sadly, we have had some whose wings didnt dry properly which just about broke my daughters heart. Still when you look at 20 successes over 4 not so successful, I think she should be proud of herself for stepping in and babysitting so well!. </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/deformed-butterfly#post-9293 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:29:13 +0000 brent and jenniferadam 9293@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Hi Nic </p> <p>I had a monarch to with deformed wings .I was told that when it was a caterpiler it had been eating potato plants.</p> <p>Jennifer and Brent </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/tagging-butterflies-and-answer-to-problems#post-9292 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:10:31 +0000 tramp 9292@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Hi to anyone in the Tauranga area </p> <p>Jacqui, &#39;Madam Butterfly&#39; will be in Tauranga and we are having a meeting on Thursday 18th at 7 pm. at the Tauranga Art Centre, Elizabeth St West 169, next to the YHA.</p> <p>Also at Te Puna Quarry Park 11 am -3 pm on Sundaym 21 March. Jacqui and members there to help you with butterflies.</p> <p>Ph. me on 07 576 4752 for more infotmation.</p> <p>Mary </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/deformed-butterfly#post-9291 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:54:51 +0000 NicHoward 9291@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Thanks for all your help with this one - I have a few more out there that I&#39;ll be watching very closely!!</p> <p>Nic </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/deformed-butterfly#post-9290 Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:10:11 +0000 Blutterfy 9290@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Hi Nic,</p> <p>It&#39;s easy said isn&#39;t it, but try not to feel bad. You did your very best. I&#39;ve had a couple like this too, and it makes me feel sad too. I have had to put a couple down this year and colsole myself with the fact that they are not suffering anymore trying desperately to fly - but the sadness hangs on for a while :( - Jane </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/does-anyone-need-caterpillars-in-chch#post-9289 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:19:10 +0000 YvonneWallis 9289@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>That would be great thanks. Would pick up this Friday about 5.45 - 6.00pm be okay. If you need to give them a home sooner i might be able to talk the hubby in to picking them up. If you could email the details to <a href="mailto:pswallis@xtra.co.nz">pswallis@xtra.co.nz</a> if you are worried about leaving your address on here </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/logging-in-to-record-tagging#post-9288 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:00:15 +0000 flutterbys 9288@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Well done Myrlene.</p> <p>Keep up the good work my dear.</p> <p>Cheers<br /> Char </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/monarch-papamoatauranga-people#post-9287 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 18:30:39 +0000 happyjohnny 9287@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Hi Myrlene, I&#39;m in Mt Maunganui. </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/monarch-papamoatauranga-people#post-9286 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:58:34 +0000 DarrenG 9286@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>I live in Greerton, and also have a garden at Gate Pa. </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/monarch-papamoatauranga-people#post-9285 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:56:39 +0000 jacqui 9285@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Hi Myrlene</p> <p>Mary Parkinson has a pretty good handle on this - and she&#39;s in Matua or Pillans Point.</p> <p>And right now I&#39;m in Whakatane - would love to meet you when I get closer. We&#39;re planning a tagging evening, more details soon.</p> <p>Cheers</p> <p>Jacqui </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/monarch-papamoatauranga-people#post-9284 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:43:59 +0000 Myrlene 9284@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Hi, I live in Papamoa and just wondering how many people help the Monarchs in my area. Many be it would be handy to know a few just in case I run out of Caterpillar trees or and have some caterpillars to share. Love to hear from you. Cheers Myrlene </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/deformed-butterfly#post-9283 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:21:57 +0000 Myrlene 9283@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Hi,Nic Howard, Just read your post now I have read that some deformed butterflies happen because of the cold night air I am not sure if this is correct but it could well be as the night temps. have droped rather quickly. It&#39;s sad when you loose one. Cheers Myrlene </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/logging-in-to-record-tagging#post-9282 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:10:40 +0000 Myrlene 9282@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Char and Trisha,<br /> Thanks have recorded my three tag numbers using <a href="http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/wp-admin/admin.php?page=tag-butterfly...great" rel="nofollow">http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/wp-admin/admin.php?page=tag-butterfly...great</a>, went straight to it..Do not know what I was doing wrong before. Cheers and Thanks again Myrlene<br /> My Butterflies are hatching out in my Butterfly House which my Hubby made for me and it is working just great..about 1m square x 6feet tall with 2 opening doors,outside in a warm corner with a roof and very fine mesh right round...at moment I have 14 nearly ready for hatching...hope my numbers rise to my last years 196 released, somehow don&#39;t think so as plants not as big and tis getting late in the season now. Cheers </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/logging-in-to-record-tagging#post-9281 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:57:33 +0000 flutterbys 9281@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Myrlene,</p> <p>Let us know how if you manage to find your way to the reporting of the tags?</p> <p>Thanks<br /> Char </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/deformed-butterfly#post-9280 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:55:51 +0000 flutterbys 9280@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Yes Nic dont feel bad. You did your best.<br /> I agree with Swansong it looks like a fallen chrysalis to me as well.<br /> I have this from time to time when I am not at home to keep an eye on things.<br /> I also cant put the butterflies out of their misery;-( hubby has to do this for as well.<br /> I just cant bring myself to do this sort of thing.</p> <p>Cheers<br /> Char </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/deformed-butterfly#post-9279 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:06:38 +0000 Swansong 9279@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Hi Nic, yeah it looks like its a fallen one to me. Dont feel too bad about moving the pupae. You gotta do what you gotta do, and you tried your best. Sometimes we all have &quot;incidents&quot;. I have to get my hubby to &quot;do the job&quot; too. : ( . </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/deformed-butterfly#post-9278 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:52:48 +0000 NicHoward 9278@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Thanks for posting the pics. It&#39;s so sad!! He is still hanging from the side of a piece of wood tryig to pump those wings, poor wee thing. I think I&#39;ll be asking hubby to quickly put it out of it&#39;s misery when he gets home.</p> <p>Perhaps it did just fall. This was a pupae I moved - feeling bad about where I moved it to now! (It was on a leaf that was getting eaten so I taped the leaf to the fence)</p> <p>nic </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/deformed-butterfly#post-9277 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:37:00 +0000 jacqui 9277@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Nic&#39;s pictures are here:</p> <p><a href="http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/2010/03/08/deformed-butterfly/" rel="nofollow">http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/2010/03/08/deformed-butterfly/</a></p> <p>Nic - this is not necessarily caused by a disease or pest. When the butterfly emerges from its chrysalis, it is very precarious, holding on to the shell of its chrysalis. One extra strong puff of wind at the wrong moment can cause a fall - and if the wings are not dry, and the butterfly can&#39;t get enough space to let its wings hang - and gravity do the work of straightening them - then the wings will dry crooked and curled etc.</p> <p>That may well have been what happened here.</p> <p>Jacqui </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/deformed-butterfly#post-9276 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:04:35 +0000 NicHoward 9276@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Hi, thanks for your reply.<br /> I&#39;m in Pukekohe.<br /> I had 3 hatch last week and as far as I could tell they were fine. I have had two pupae die right next to them though. I actually thought it wasn&#39;t the &#39;usual&#39; cloudy I&#39;d seen before. They went dark and blotchy instead of just cloudy.</p> <p>I&#39;ve realised now that the butterfly had a small scale-like bug on it&#39;s body. It is visable in the photos. It has now dropped off.</p> <p>Thanks for the info re:uploading - I have emailed Jacqui.<br /> I look forward to some opinions when the photos are available!</p> <p>nic </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/deformed-butterfly#post-9275 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 12:58:18 +0000 flutterbys 9275@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Hi Nic,</p> <p>You can send your photos to <a href="mailto:photos@monarch.org.nz">photos@monarch.org.nz</a><br /> Jacqui is travelling at present and will upload the photos soon.</p> <p>Dont panic too much as we all sometimes have the odd chrysalis that is deformed and it might not be OE.</p> <p>Can you tell me where abouts you are?<br /> Is this the only chrysalis you have had emerge or have you had others?</p> <p>Cheers<br /> Char </p> http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/topic/logging-in-to-record-tagging#post-9274 Tue, 09 Mar 2010 12:48:39 +0000 Patz 9274@http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/forum/ <p>Hi Myrlene</p> <p>Try this link that Jacqui posted above:<br /> <a href="http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/wp-admin/admin.php?page=tag-butterfly" rel="nofollow">http://www.monarch.org.nz/monarch/wp-admin/admin.php?page=tag-butterfly</a>.<br /> If you are logged into the forum with the same username it should take you straight to your assigned tags.<br /> Alternatively, find your way back the MBNZT home page and go to site admin down the r/h side and then to research - tag butterfly. Bit convoluted, but works.<br /> Best<br /> Trisha </p>